Battery: Which electric cars only have scrap value after 10 years

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After 10 years, these electric cars only have scrap value

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Press Inform The first Nissan Leaf in his 2009 world premiere

  • Site gasta author Jens Meiners (Atlanta)

How long-term-compatible is electromobility actually? The residual value prospects of most electricians are rather bad. Also because customers do not trust the lifespan of the batteries. As the example of Nissan Leaf in the USA shows, not entirely wrong.

For links on this page, Site receives. A commission from the dealer, Z.B. For marked. More information, if the EU Commission rushes back a bit: the abolition of the combustion engine is not off the table. Electric cars are ideal for many people, it is called it. Because hardly anyone traces long distances. So it was propagated a decade ago when the Nissan Leaf came onto the market with one of the first mass-produced electric cars. But what happened to the cars from back then?

Nissan Leaf was initially successful in the USA

To find out, let’s take a look at the USA. There the car was introduced earlier and sold in much larger quantities than in Germany. After the presentation in summer 2009, 20 went.000 pre -orders, To date, over 150 in the United States.000 units sold. In Germany, sales only exceeded the 1,000 units per year in 2016 and were usually around a tenth of the US figures.

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Steven Lang Used Nissan Leaf: Early specimens have to struggle with extreme deterioration in the battery capacity, US dealers complain

He was and is not cheap, the Leaf: In the 2011 model year, at least 32 had to be made for a copy.$ 780 change owners. For a few thousand dollars less, for example, there was the SUV Nissan Murano with its 3.5-liter V6. Or a Ford Mustang V8. In Germany, it was even more steeply: Stolze 36.990 euros were due in the market launch – one year after the USA -.

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But according to NEFZ, the 24-kWh battery and an 80 kW/109 hp/109 hp engine were up to 175 kilometers, and even in the US. The battery should be full again on the quick charging station within 30 minutes.

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175 kilometers were promised

Now, however, it turns out that the promised performance no longer remains in use after years. Steven Lang, car dealer in Atlanta, Georgia and founder of a long-term quality index with a database of over 2.7 million vehicles, points to the partly catastrophic drop in performance of the batteries there.

There is largely consensus among owners that an exchange of the batteries is not worthwhile – a problem that also exists in Germany. In February 2020, the website reported electric car from cost estimates of up to 22.050 euros for an exchange battery for a 2016 leaf.

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The bitter truth for many owners of these once expensive electric cars is that they are still suitable as a replacement for bicycles or golf caddies – or as a car for beginners whose parents want to strictly narrow down the radius of action of the offspring.

Only suitable as a golf cart?

A devastating picture – not least in view of the fact that old cars with an combustion engine are neither struggling with a drop in performance nor with restrictions on the reach – and theoretically still possible for many decades. Auto expert Lang, who achieves about 10 percent of its sales with electric cars, does not fundamentally reject e-mobility: he believes that the more flexible vehicle architectures and the acceleration experience will convince many customers. But he also sees how the cars prove themselves in everyday use. In conversation with GTSpirit, he chats out of the sewing box.GT Spirit: In what condition are the Leafs after 5, 8 or 10 years?Steven Lang: Last but not least, it depends on how much they were exposed to the heat. Atlanta is located in the south of the United States and has relatively high temperatures and humidity, at least from late spring to early autumn. The five -year -old Leafs usually still have 70 to 85 percent battery capacity, depending on whether they stood in a garage or outside and how often they were driven. The 8 year old models are in far worse condition because of their other battery architecture. And most of the 10 year old Leafs that I see at auctions are as good as dead.

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There are 55 to 80 kilometers of range in older electric cars

How much range do the older cars actually have?In a 2013 model it is usually between 55 and 80 kilometers, although I have seen a lot less.If the expiry of the charging capacity is a leaf-specific problem or, for example, affects early Teslas?Teslas is much better because battery architecture, software and cooling are much more modern. The cooling system of the Leaf is not sufficient for warmer areas.

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What are the early Leaf with their small reach for at all?There are people in the metropolitan areas who hardly move outside a radius of 10 to 15 kilometers. Such a car could still work for them. But the continuous deterioration of the batteries will ensure that this too only works for a few years.

Tesla can do it better

What kind of car is still paid for?I have never managed to sell a leaf with less than 9 out of 12 beams of battery capacity. That corresponds to 67 to 75 percent.What happens to the older cars?Many of them end up in the so -called "Wholesale Heaven" and are thrown on the large dealer auctions. I assume that many others are somewhere in garages and are only used by their owners for a limited extent.Has improved somewhat over the years?The one built into "Lizard"-Battery lasts significantly longer, and that’s why you could actually install them in the first generation vehicles to keep them running. It is sad to see me how Volkswagen is exhausted, for example, to keep diesel on the street, while Nissan simply ignores the problems.

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15 thoughts on “Battery: Which electric cars only have scrap value after 10 years”

  1. Leaf ?
    The Leaf is of course the worst, for example. Therefore. Visually a disaster…. … As the current models assert, it will only be shown. Purely the logic, however, it becomes difficult with the resale of the used cordless car racers (at a corresponding price) is only where to put it ? If you have no charging options here, a used one will not be more attractive and you can’t discuss it in this way…. The usual suspicious states are certainly not interested in it, they are more likely to be on diesel/SUV made in Germany.

  2. design
    plays a crucial role in buying a car. The most efficient, cleanest drive is of no use if the design of the vehicle does not like. Such a leaf is not necessarily a nice car now. The residual value will not be high anyway, as the first generation with battery even less. If you already do something like that, then you have to drive such cars until nothing goes (or accept loss of value). Which in itself is sustainable again.

  3. optically ..
    Visually speaking, the Nissan Leaf has only scrap value as a new vehicle. It is also very exhausting for my eyes in the interior

  4. Old story
    The degradation of the first Leaf battery generation was actually relatively high, which was due to the small battery, the lack of air conditioning and the fact that almost the entire battery was used for storage. In the meantime this is no longer an issue. Even air conditioning is a huge advantage, now they have all new electric cars. The battery of our smart is now 7 years old and has 100.000 kilometers on the clock. Although it is loaded daily, a loss of range has not yet been determined. I have no idea why this story is warmed up here.

  5. My old diesel
    Runs 16.5 years now, dangers 376.578 km.Regularly maintained and well maintained.Now my grandson is driving.There is no better thing about Made in Germany.This performance will never achieve a current.And I continue to drive diesel, but now SUV, a German and a Japanese.And that’s good…

  6. Yes, the baron of Gemmingen
    Is the extreme exception. Incidentally, there are some examples where burners also ran 1 or 2 million kilometers. This is always available, but it is not really good to advocate the technology.

  7. Oh no !
    Each of you has a computer and/or a mobile phone. So, why does someone do it so surprised that the lifespan of Li-ion batteries, depending on the quality and loading habits, between 3 and 6 years is so strongly dismantled that use in their original provision is no longer bearable. Why should that be different with auto-batteries as long as they are based on the same technology. Furthermore, I can already give you an initiation that the large-scale application of charging capacities (quick charging) will lead to the lifespan of a Li-ion battery again approx. halved. If you then consider that the little driver is slowly loading at home and the frequent driver quickly, you can imagine if it is strongest, exactly the wrong ones

  8. @Sochgen
    You can also have simple mathematics on the risk of value. VW ID3 entry-level model 330 WLTP range, makes approx. 170km realistic range. After 80% charging there is 136km until the battery is empty. VW gives a 8 -year guarantee of 70% capacity, then 95.2km until you are stranded with an empty battery. Even if the 70% capacity occurs after 10 years, such a vehicle is unsalable for a realistic value. With an 8 year old Golf VII and CA. 50 liter tank continues to receive ranges of 800km and more, depending on the type of fuel. A vehicle that can no longer be used properly in old age has a residual value of rather zero. This is very simple mathematics!

  9. @Vogel Peter
    According to her logic – a Golf VII engine would be defective after the guarantee period of 2 years, because over this period VW does not give a guarantee (unless you pay it very expensive – why well?) Mathematics belongs to make meaningful assumptions, otherwise the result will not make much sense. If you had learned if you had studied mathematics …

  10. Thank you dear combustion drivers
    … for the fact that you take on a problem with so much verve that does not affect it, but only us e-car drivers: that an electric car should be scrap. Which generally is not right & can be avoided: lease instead of buying! The current leasing offers for e -cars are so cheap – z.B. A VW ID 4 for € 123 a month – you cannot drive a carpower. Not even with a burner. But why inexpensive & ecologically correct if it is also more expensive and environmentally and climate-damaging. Fueling 50 liters of fuel, using 10 liters for the trip from A to B and heating the environment with 40 liters, that may have been normal for the past 100 years, today it’s pretty crazy.

  11. @kurt – then fight ‘nice
    As a fight reading, I recommend “Don Quijote from the Mancha” by Miguel de Cervantes and there V.A. The episode of the fight against the windmills. Fighting against the electric car is also pointless because it will never lead to success. The electric car is not a return but progress because it enables climate-friendly individual mobility, deals with energy much more efficiently & is cheaper.

  12. @Hutzler
    I just take it "Efahrer" The mouthpiece of e-mobilists. Even with falling battery costs, electric cars for European car manufacturers will be at least a decade "much more expensive" Remain as models with an internal combustion engine. This is the result of the study by the Financial Times business newspaper. While the production costs of a compact electric car by 2030 by more than one fifth to 16.000 euros will fall, according to data that the international consulting company Oliver Wyman has compiled and evaluated for the Financial Times, you will still be nine percent higher than with comparable gasoline or diesel vehicles.

  13. @Vogel Peter – time for "Simple mathematics"
    Since the operation of BEV is known to be cheaper than from ICE car, there is a break-even point. When will you have saved the 9% higher production costs? time for "Simple mathematics". Can you try to show as good as you regularly try to show here.

  14. Bad BEV example
    The Leaf has bad battery management. No thermal management (D. H. no active cooling or heating of the traction battery), and a strong utilization of the physical limits regarding. minimal end loading closing voltage. Maximum loud tension are thinkers bad priority for a long battery life.(see also cell phone battery, cordless screwdriver etc.) Other car manufacturers are much better positioned. My Ampera, 9.5 years, 100000km, approx. 3000 full charging cycles, in use all year round, still has approx. 95% of its original, usable battery capacity!!

  15. That’s correct
    That’s how it is, but most people don’t have this detailed knowledge. So you can scare them with such stories.


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