Climate policy: Scientists see calculation errors in saving effects of electric cars

"Numbers suggest saving potential that we do not have"

Researchers send fire letter to Brussels: The EU has offset itself with the e-cars

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Photo: picture Alliance / dpa / Photo: Markus Scholz An electric car on a charging station.

If 2030 million cars drive electrically, the expansion of green electricity will keep up – or the electricity mix will be dirty again in total? Scientists write a fire letter to the EU – and the carmakers also put their fingers in the wound.

For links on this page, Site receives. A commission from the dealer, Z.B. For marked. More informationhat is the politicians in the contribution of the electric car for the climate fundamentally offset? Unfortunately yes, a group of six European scientists says in an open letter to the EU Commission. In a position paper, 170 scientists from all over the world had previously criticized that the CO2 savings effects mentioned by the EU were not realistic by switching to e-mobility in the given period. "The numbers suggest a savings potential that we do not have", said Professor Thomas Koch from the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) of the German Press Agency. Because the electricity mix was simply calculated incorrectly.

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"The question is not: electric car or burner. The question is: fossil or not", said Koch. In an open letter to the EU Commission, about the "Stuttgarter Zeitung" and "Stuttgart news" (Monday) reported, expressed chef and five other scientists their concerns. Because the EU is currently tightening its CO2 guidelines for the newly approved cars in Europe.With 453.000 sold electric and plug-in vehicles in the first quarter is Europe China with 489.000 electric cars close to the heels. And according to countries, Germany is already the second largest electric car market in the world, with almost 250.000 newly approved electric cars by the end of May. VW is now one of the drivers of development. By 2030, Volkswagen only wants to sell a third of his cars with a gasoline or diesel engine. Mercedes-Benz and BMW aim a share of around 50 percent.

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But the corporations do not want to set a fixed date for the end of the burner. The markets and the wishes of the customers are too different, too different the political requirements. In addition, there is also the charging infrastructure that is missing in many countries, also in Europe. And because it is ultimately about climate protection, it is much more important where the electricity for the electric cars actually comes from.

With electricity from coal or oil, he does not see any great sense in the switch to electric drives, said VW boss Herbert Diess at the balance sheet PK. "A modern diesel is more climate -friendly than an electric vehicle that is loaded with coal stream", said BMW boss Oliver Zipse of the "Passauer Neue Presse/Donaukurier" (Monday). He has "great concern", whether there will be enough green electricity.

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Experts say that electricity needs will continue to increase with more wind and solar systems

The EU Commission assumes that the electricity will become cleaner with the expansion of wind and solar systems. No, say Koch and his colleagues. Because the electricity requirement will increase even more – and then the whole invoice is no longer correct.The federal government wants to not only have 10 million electric cars on the road by 2030, but also quickly change industry and heating. The electricity requirement in Germany will increase from 56 to 57 gigawatts by 2030, says Koch. In 6000 out of the 8760 hours a year, in addition to green electricity, it will also need more electricity from fossil power plants. This overlooked politics in their debates and invoices, in any case not included. Then the real CO2 emissions could be much higher than estimated by politics – in total even twice as high.

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The scientists all agree that the climate must be protected and the CO2 emissions must be reduced, emphasized Koch emphasized. "For this we also need the electric car." But the guidelines also favored the e-car where the climate is of no use.If green electricity is not supplemented with gas, oil and coal current, but with nuclear power, the invoice would be better off. But that is a political decision by the Germans, said Koch. If today’s combustion engines instead of gasoline and diesel CO2-neutral synthetic fuel, on the other hand, were saved 25 percent CO2. But even there, politics and industry went a different way today. In the interest of the climate, the EU Commission should consider their attitude again before the next step, according to the scientists’ appeal.

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13 thoughts on “Climate policy: Scientists see calculation errors in saving effects of electric cars”

  1. When does the last one understand
    It’s not about the climate or CO2! The changeover to fair cars is only a 2.0 … It’s not about the climate or CO2! The changeover to the fair car is only a scrappage bonus 2.0 for the auto industry as a reward that you shit with the diesel engine! The billions of compensation payments have to come back to the cash register and what is better than several million new cars to sell! The production of the battery alone creates as much pollutants as a diesel after 200.000 kilimeters! Only the diesel drives after 200.000 kilometers still. The electric car is an ecological dead end because the required electricity for primary and secondary energy market cannot be produced renewable! Our country does not have enough space for that. It’s just like that! Apart from the lack of rare earths that we need for the semiconductors.

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  2. "If you want to discuss with me…
    … then you have to go into my a r g u m e n t e." On which "Arguments"? If someone does not understand the key message of the scientists who have written a fire letter to the EU, be it from ideological delusion or stubbornness (I suspect the latter), a discussion is completely pointless. The key message is "The federal government wants to not only have 10 million electric cars on the road by 2030, but also quickly change industry and heating. The electricity requirement in Germany will increase from 56 to 57 gigawatts by 2030, says Koch. In 6000 out of the 8760 hours a year, in addition to green electricity, it will also need more electricity from fossil power plants. This overlooked politics in their debates and invoices, in any case not included…"

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  3. Mr. Bender
    I agree with you 100%, the scientists too. In the background, heating is already diligently tinkering with which hydrogen are compatible and added to the natural gas. Such solutions are also being worked on for trucks and on the rails. The synthetic fuels will also be better. E-cars were invented in 1839, I see no groundbreaking progress.

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  4. Old news.
    The whole thing has been known a little longer. So that you still achieve your national goals, the CO2 is easily outsourced abroad. This worked with the yellow sack for 30 years and will also work with CO2. You don’t have to disguise that either, because almost nobody is interested in it. Either because of ignorance, or because you just don’t want to see it.

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  5. Hi
    If our politicians, especially the Greens think it really well with the environment .That it is not feasible should be clear to everyone except we go back to the Stone Age .It cannot be reconciled and no pollution as well in winter if the booth should be warm everything with ecological means how should that work .If we continue in this direction in Germany, the lights go out without energy with a few wind turbines or PV systems or hydropower plants, you can not cover electricity requirements today and certainly not tomorrow. I heat again with coal why because it is the cheapest and if it has to go to Poland with the trailer, it is clear it is dirty but it is also

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  6. Dear forists, who read the texts?
    The letter from the scientists to the EU Commission with DIV. Position paper (everything in English). The comments after only a few. Otherwise, contra & not per reaction should be. Who writes: "The internal combustion engine (ICE) is an efficient energy converter at reasonable costs and still has great potential for further improvements", which cannot claim scientificity. These are 3 wrong claims in one sentence. 1. In real operation, the V-engine has an average of 20-25 % efficiency. If it is operated with e-fuel, the core concern of the 170, it drops to 13%. Can hardly be inefficient. 2. V-engines are also expensive & e-fuel; 4.50 €/ l without taxes appropriate? 3. The V-Motor is at the end of its development. The car manufacturers get out. Bad for V-scientists.

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  7. Mr. Lange if you want to discuss with me
    … then you have to go into my a r g u m e n t e. I know myself that 170 are more like one. But 170 can also be wrong. Anyone who operates a combustion engine with e -fuel -what the 170 suggest -which brings 13% of 100% primary energy to the bikes, calls an "efficient energy converter". No matter whether he is a professor or just a long Peter.

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  8. Green electricity
    These scientists give exactly that I have already written here, unfortunately these critical comments were censored. With all the hype about the mobility, the dark side of the story is unfortunately often ignored or simply hidden. Who can believe that the emob only has advantages? What the E vehicles of pollutants do not blow into the environment is freely set when the raw materials are obtained for the batteries. Just because this happens in other countries the problem is not better, but because you are not directly affected, you can tell yourself great that you are a world savior. And the generation of the charging current only from renewable sources is not realistic, but since you don’t see the current of its origin, it doesn’t matter to people

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  9. Eco electricity
    Of course everyone wants the green electricity from the socket. But the city dwellers who call the loudest have a well-developed rail and bus system, but no wind turbines and huge solar fields in front of the nose. The rural resident can rumble, who should also abolish his car (diesel or gasoline). We will probably be importing world champions regarding nuclear and coal stream.

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  10. Climate policy
    The government’s project cannot arise mathematically, but switching off power plants on the other side but too little wind, water and solar energy more and more electric cars, and other power guzzlers. The government has come up with the beautiful new eco -world cute colorful mind without a spark of factual mind. It will be very, very expensive for us if we have to buy Polish or French electricity in weddings. Abroad rubs their hands because of the incompetent German government.

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  11. Okostrom lie
    No one receives and uses green electricity. The production of green electricity is paid. But everyone uses a mix of eco, coal and atom. Of course, the EU predicted something. The kit something different. Now it’s about finding a consensus. Of course, it is nonsense to replace all cars with electrical. Because different uses require a different drive system.

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  12. One is a fact!
    E-cars do not make as much noise as combustion engines and in the city you are also spared by their exhaust gases. No matter how much they are filtered. Of course, it is a huge effort not only to bring alternative drives to the market, but also to adapt electricity production. There is still a lot of potential here! But what can be nicer than when everyone is cleaning their stream clean from the sun or the wind and even consumes it? Everything is possible with modern storage technologies! Some obtain so much electricity from the sun that they cannot consume for a long time. So stay tuned on the subject! Then at some point nobody will have to talk about coal, gas or nuclear power.

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  13. Easy misconception
    Even with its own solar system, the electricity is not sufficient. Even in summer, I would not be able to charge an e-golf with my system. Despite 10kW. The memory is of little use because the current produced would go into the car right away. Nothing would remain for the house. And in winter nothing works. There is even little. Don’t believe everything that Greens tell. Research yourself.

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