Ban of loading in underground garages no taboo
Electric car: Welcome to the green flame hell
Site/Wochit First city reacts! Munich moves out of traffic to Inferno in Stuttgart in Stuttgart
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Site editor Sebastian Viehmann
As a precaution, several cities move out of circulation. Fires are also piling up for cars and even e-bikes. Politics on their electric trip duck away. The problem must be solved quickly – and this is also technically possible – a comment.
More and more electric buses whir on our streets so that the air becomes cleaner. In Stuttgart, however, the shot went back. According to the current level of knowledge, an e-bus from Daimler ignited when charging. A major fire with a cloud of pollutants was created, which would supposedly make it a climatic health resort because of diesel vehicles. Now the dream of the clean electricity bus is first dreamed of. With Munich, the first big city pulls its identical vehicles out of circulation as a precaution until you know more about the cause of the fire.
Electric buses: Numerous fire incidents
It is not the first fire incident with an e-bus. Already in 2017 there was an e-bus manufacturer in Salzgitter, 2019 a vehicle in Burghausen (AltOtting district), 2020 in Thuringia. In March 2021, Evobus was on fire at Evobus in Mannheim. With two devastating bus depot fires in Hanover and Dusseldorf this year, there has been at least suspicion that an electric vehicle was the trigger . Even if that was not the case: the battery fires that can be deleted with enormous amounts of water make every fire in which such a vehicle is involved, a special risk – and a very expensive insured event. The recent depot fires have made this clear.
Electric bus opens up in flames when charging and triggers chain reaction
Cameraone Electric bus opens up in flames when charging and triggers chain reaction
The greatest risk is waiting for charging
In the incidents also increase in cars with electric drive. Apart from a few fatal accidents, in which the battery caught fire in a matter of seconds, it is clear where the actual risk is: during the loading process. While a petrol engine is fueled in two minutes, an electric car hangs on the stripping for many hours overnight. And not only in bus depots, but soon also in millions of garages and underground garages.
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Electric trend is irreversible – so hurry is required
Because the number of electric cars will continue to grow strongly in Germany, Every second new car already drives with an electric or at least hybrid drive. Nothing will change, because almost all manufacturers get out of the combustion engine in the medium term and the EU wants to elect the traffic as soon as possible because of its climate goals.Measures are now the faster the faster. The popular argument that fires of electric cars are not more likely to occur more frequently than with petrol engines is secondary. The effort for deletion and the damage caused by the enormous heat are definitely greater.
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Fire brigades not optimally prepared
Meanwhile, politics does what it unfortunately does far too often: it does not consider the consequences of their actions. Always sharper climate goals and ideological "Turnover"-Plans are quickly written, but the risks that a comparatively young technology like emobility brings with it have been ignored. Fire brigades have been alarm for a long time: they are not sufficiently prepared. In a request from the FDP parliamentary group on the topic to the federal government, this points out that the training of fire and rescue workers "the responsibility of the states, municipalities and municipalities " lounger. The building authorities of the federal states are responsible for fire protection in underground garages. It continues: "According to the Federal Government, the statistical foundations should be fired (u.A. Cause, impact, vehicle technology are further improved." That sounds a lot: We let it run and see what happens.
Special fire protection in garages is needed
Instead of distributing more and more funding to the buyers of e-cars and making tax gifts, while the rest of the drivers with record prices on the petrol pump still wealthy their premium electricity should also be co-financed, the billions for emobility should therefore be created more sensibly: in A comprehensive and safe charging infrastructure and special equipment for loading spaces in garages. Fire protection experts and experts warn that and as a whole question whether e-cars should be invited to underground garages at all .
If necessary, the 0G rule for e-cars is needed
Insurance have long been heard in mind: Anyone who loads their electric car at their own station should report this as an additional risk of their insurance. "Basically, one has to say that each electrical system increases the fire risk. It is therefore important that the customer indicates the existence – or the existence of new insurance – the system", makes the alliance clear. Only individual garages are insured free of charge.So what is now required? Special fire identification and extinguishing systems should be installed for all public and jointly used underground garages in which cars are close together for electric cars. This can be installed directly in new buildings and in existing retrofitting. The technologies have long been available. Ideally, the vehicles only park in separate, fire -safe boxing.
WETRAX GmbH This is how an aerosol extinguishing system for battery fires works
And if these measures cannot be implemented structurally? Then the loading ban has to be banned in such underground garages – the "Zero g (aragen)"-Rule – come. That would of course be a tough step and there can never be a hundred percent security.But if diesel driving bans are too much in the air because of a few micrograms of nitrogen oxides, then you cannot simply wipe away safety concerns for e-cars, just because politics fears an image damage of a type of drive propagated by it. Such preventive measures would be an advantage for emobility in any case. Because the more fires there are, the greater the doubts about the safety of these vehicles. Nobody can be interested in that.
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so what ?
It doesn’t matter whether the climate caretry and battery the facts deny facts here and maximum that … It doesn’t matter whether the climate caretry and battery the facts deny facts and relativize maximum. The forum is not Germany. I think that more and more wake up and start thinking. Also authorities and insurance companies. You can tax combustioners even more and subsidize the batteries of extreme…..In this technical equipment there is nothing for the mass market ! Not a product that is technically good, but only through extreme subsidies for a small part of the customers !
How long
If I register for security risks at Li-Akkus? I now have enough experience with this battery. Good and bad, they have been using them mainly in the hobby area for about 15 years. The problem with electric vehicles is only a political one. Here people have agreed on a not through drive technology and, because they have not made any promises to climate protection at the same time, have afraid that their decision could suffer an image loss and they cannot keep their already excessive promises. That is the only reason to want to push through this technique with all its disadvantages and costs, it costs what it wants. Yes, it has to be another one "Fuel" from. But that should not only be dependent on efficiency.
First of all, petrol tank tank
These are correct hazard transportation because the transported gasoline is poisonous, explosive, flammable and threatening groundwater. Incidentally. The examination that has now been completed has found that the buses were still loaded long after the automatic fire alarm was triggered. So something else burned first, at least not an e-bus, because its charging process would have been canceled immediately when fire.
Wow…
…Because e-cars burn, negligible share of the total stock, plus bus depots and what does a foriste think of talking about petrol anchors. How many tankers were burned into 2021? Again polemics, as often in the forum when reports are relativized!
Each has read the last part of the article?
Quote beginning: And if these measures cannot be implemented structurally? Then the loading ban has to be banned in such underground garages – the "Zero g (aragen)"-Rule – come. That would of course be a tough step and there can never be a hundred percent security. But if diesel driving bans are too much in the air because of a few micrograms of nitrogen oxides, then you cannot simply wipe away safety concerns for e-cars, just because politics fears an image damage of a type of drive propagated by it. Such preventive measures would be an advantage for emobility in any case. Because the more fires there are, the greater the doubts about the safety of these vehicles" Quote ends obviously not only see the risks of this battery.
No fear
You are not alone with your view. Also stand behind the safety concerns on the basis of its own experience with this battery type. And the problems are becoming more and more known in public. Even if you don’t want that politically.
According to
Stuttgarter Nachrichten burned its own AccU in a garage yesterday in Niederstetten (Main-Tauber-Kreis), from there via the car to the complete garage and parts of the house. Property damage approx. 500,000 euros, house uninhabitable. What is still striking that the SDR has not reported about it in the teletext, at least so far. When weeks ago that SSB burned Bundespost, the text also reported very hesitantly and remarkably short. A report about the Swabian Alb Association seems to be more important. That also gives you thinking.
@KOpnick those who are not of the subject,
But just everything "to know better", The support on Google Finds in the Echo Chamber and well -founded ignorance are not the high -stapler? Did you understand the mechanism that runs within a battery cell? I mean on a molecular level? Because it doesn’t look that way, they only give what they can find in the Echo Cam. Otherwise you would rate the risk very differently.
The MOPO reported about e-car brand
On Kuhstrabe in Bardowick (Luneburg district), a hybrid car has been completely opened in flames. The fire spread to another car and a family home, and a carport also caught fire. The house is uninhabitable, family could just save itself. But ideology-driven e-disciples do not see this, is just a house, a family, 2 cars …. The family has lost everything. The fire brigade was unable to prevent the spread of the fire. It’s just not "normal" Fire! The enormous heat, the highly toxic gases and the indelibility of burning lithium make it dangerous. The many contaminated extinguishing water is in the ground. Hope there is no drinking water protection area. What does all of this have with environmental protection? NOTHING !
@KOpnick, well then everything is fine
The family who has lost their house and everything else will be happy. Is to be regarded as normal and you have to count on it if you put such a car outside the door. Yes, your contribution has a really calming effect. Hopefully the insurance company counts, now I want to be informed if the risk changes, such a vehicle is at the corner.
Everything has to change so that everything stays
… as it is, a legendary sentence from the novel by the Leopard by Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa is called. Automobility also has to change so that it remains what it is, individual freedom for modern people. U.A. it must become climate & environmentally friendly. The fact that technical problems occur when changing from the V- to the e-car, there is no reason to want to leave everything at the same time. Unfortunately, this impression can be obtained if you follow the reactions here in the forum on messages via bus depot and e-car fires. What worries me: There are also engineers among the opponents of the new, progressive technology. So people who should inspire people who should be developers and drivers and not brakers & panic makers& Boring.
@KOpnick they pick only quotes anyway
From the context, put theirs "Found quotes" New together in ideologically fitting order. You could also use the time to study a specialist book or lecture script on the topic. Is a little more tedious, but at least it would be known what it is actually about. This is exactly where my doubts start. The Li Akku approach is neither safe nor environmentally friendly, certainly not without alternative.
I have been more and more parking garages in recent times
noticed in which the parking of the battery cars is only permitted at certain levels or even not permitted. The reasons are obvious, if you look at the video in the article. A first step towards protecting body and life. Hope there are no other heavy fires where, in the worst case, people get harmed again before the spook is finally ended. Stuttgart should be the Fukushima of the Li Akku vehicles.
Take a look at the picture of the bus depot
and consider what it looks like when such a bus in the city center opens in flames. The video in the article shows how fast this works. Experience shows that the batteries also spontaneously start burning in normal operation, explode. Even relatively small bike batteries had recently had entire houses flared. With life -threatening. This is real, no attempt or talked about.
Li batteries are considered dangerous goods if they
are transported accordingly. That for good reason. The driver must have a so -called ADC, otherwise a violent fine is due. As soon as these batteries come from the transport packaging and have been installed in the vehicle, the labeling obligation suddenly does not apply, even though they are now being transported without a protective packaging. The driver does not require any dangerous goods instruction and no ADC. What has changed? The outer packaging is gone. Not more. How dangerous the batteries are can be seen in the video above. Full fire in a few seconds. Without external influence. Even a cell phone or laptopakku must be marked during transportation. Of the "transport" a car battery in the car or bus not. I also think of drinking water protection areas .
@Vogel only leave his comments
no "Predicate examination" assume. What could that be for one? At least the unfortunate ministers had to obey him with a few exceptions as he wrote. At least with natural sciences, special. Vehicle – electrical engineering and physics he has nothing to do. Suspect a "Google and Tesla predicate examination", not more.
The police in Hamburg has their battery cars back
given. Potential fire risk. See MOPO article. Reason slowly wins over ideological dead end. Police officers must be able to drive safely, is also a question of occupational safety. Emergency vehicles are burdened differently, and they must always be ready for use. Or does someone believe that the police criminal offense fairly grant loading times?
In the ideological dead end
… drive with such comments. The Hamburg police have not "returned" e-cars. They were very satisfied with it. Her bad luck was that the manufacturer worldwide bolts all vehicles in the Chevrolet model, which it was about. The police are also increasingly electrical, z.B. Lower Saxony, 215 ID.3 in use. So always stay nice with the facts, Mr. Engineer!