Fires, recalls, battery chaos: Are electric car drivers guinea pig?

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Press Inform / Mercedes Mercedes EQC. Daimler’s Neus electric car was hardly delivered when there was the first recalls. And Daimler is by no means solely with technical problems with e-cars

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The batteries run out at Daimler’s luxury streams. Hyundai must 80.Swap 000 batteries. The latest Tesla has already burned down. The electric car is considered many an alternative drive type of tomorrow, but on the way there is still plenty of fine work necessary.

The batteries of the Mercedes EQC from the 2019 built in 2019 are not entirely tight. Therefore they could get on fire. The manufacturer asks the buyers of 1463 of the electric SUVs to the workshop to improve the sealing of the high-voltage batteries. The manufacturer can be happy that this model has not turned out to be a real sales hit. The internet portal "BW24" reports that there are only 20 worldwide.000 vehicles have been sold, which is why Daimler has not yet introduced the car on the US market.

Electric cars with teething problems

The owner hits worse From worldwide approx. 82.000 Hyundai Kona Elektro and Ioniq from Korean production. In some vehicles, damage to the battery cells occurred. Under certain circumstances, according to Hyundai in a letter, the site is available, “it can happen that a short circuit is created within the high -voltage battery. The short circuit could possibly cause inflammation of the high -voltage battery. It cannot be ruled out that personal injury may occur in individual cases.""

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Private Hyundai warns in a callback letter of the fire risk of the battery in the Kona Electric electric car

Due to the world’s high demand for high-voltage batteries, the Hyundai buyers do not simply get new batteries. Instead, the capacity of the batteries is limited to 90% until new batteries are available.

Still little experience with batteries

In both cases, the observer creeps up the feeling, that the manufacturers have outsourced part of the development work on the buyer. The pressure in the kettle is also enormous: With the upcoming Euro 7 standard, the EU will practically bury the combustion engine, all manufacturers – albeit above all in the European market – have to electrify their model range. Even the long as "Important bridge technology" Praised plug-in hybrids have a low half-life, manufacturers like Audi are no longer planning in favor of pure battery vehicles. Everything has to go very quickly at Volkswagen, Daimler, Opel or BMW. And with many models, the customers now notice this too in the form of all the recall letters that flutter into them in the house.

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Hyundai Hyundai has to call tens of thousands of electric cars back due to the risk of short-circuit

Cars mutate more and more rolling flat screen chimneys with electric motors and high -voltage. Nothing rolls without a functioning software. Volkswagen noticed this in the introduction of the ID3 and ID4 models. This was recently confessed to VW sales board Klaus Kellmer at the VW Innovation talk "Business Insider" a .

Software disaster at Volkswagen

One year after the market launch, the ID models receive the latest software version by mobile update “Over the Air” (OTA). Originally, the first vehicles were only delivered with a spartan version that did not meet the promised properties. The car is obviously almost trouble -free. Even with the – not electrical – Golf 8, there were initially software problems. The OTA updates, if they work, of course have the advantage that the cars for updates hardly have to go to the workshop. But you have to be able to do that, and it shows that the electric market leader Tesla, which is once smiled by German manufacturers, probably has more on the pan than the Americans are trusted.

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The various ailments of the Stromer and hybrid

In the worst case, software errors are annoying, but often it doesn’t stay that. In the past few months, recalls for electric cars and plug-in hybrids have been going out like mushrooms. Some examples:

  • ford: Calls were pronounced several times for the Ford Kuga. Affected: almost 33.000 vehicles worldwide. Ford finally had to impose a sales stop for the car. The new Mustang Mach-E also has problems. As "Site" reports, the drive goes on strike after long journeys with recuperation. The problem first noticed in Norway. A software update should fix it.
  • General Motors: Sometimes it doesn’t even help. In mid -November, 66 were worldwide.Called back 000 of the type Chevrolet Bolt and warned before charging. The German sister model Opel Ampera-e is also affected. A software update should fix the problems – but apparently did not do that: like that "Wall Street Journal" reported, even after the update, two Chevys were on fire again. GM has now advised the vehicle owners, Not parking the car in garages and also don’t charge overnight. The US Transport Security Authority NHTSA examines the incident and informed that the batteries have a technical problem and can ignite independently.
  • VW: In addition to recalls at the VW e-up, however, only a few vehicles were affected, the brand new plug-in hybrid of the Golf 8 made headlines. During the trip, the car caught fire in a place in Hesse a few weeks ago. The Lithuim-ion battery of the Golf Plug is located in front of the rear axle under the back seat. The regional newspaper HNA reports: "The Golf was on fire within a few seconds. The two occupants could just save themselves outdoors. Local residents who had become aware of the explosion on the vehicle fire due to the bang of the explosion immediately alerted the fire brigade." The car had only 300 kilometers on the speedometer. At Site’s request, Volkswagen spokesman Stefan Voswinkel said about the case: "In order to be able to guarantee the high standard of our vehicles, we analyze the closer circumstances and the technical background of a case in which a Golf 8 should have occurred, according to the media report. On the basis of the test results, we will initiate appropriate measures if necessary. When asked about the current status, it was said in mid -July: "It is already clear that the cause of the fire was an event outside the high-voltage battery and there is no system in the concept or production."
  • Audi: With the model "E-tron" there was already recall in 2019, shortly after delivery of the car. The trigger is a possibly incorrect seal through which moisture could get into the battery system – short -circuit and fire risk here too. In 2020, a young woman burned in an electric audi after an accident, but it is still unclear what exactly was the cause of the fire; It should have nothing to do with the recall.
  • BMW: In 2020, the Munich-based plug-in hybrids had to call back due to technical problems.
  • StreetScooter: Deutsche Post has now ended its commitment as a automotive movement. The street scooter with which she wanted to elect her package deliveries had not only heating in winter that were too little efficient. Occasionally it was fire -fighting here too. At least five e-scooters have burned down. In the meantime, the whole fleet of around 12.000 vehicles are closed. The sale of the manufacturer failed. Finally there was a brand again . The Federal Motor Transport Authority (KBA) told Site: "The responsible department is in contact with the manufacturer, studies on the cause of the incident are currently taking place, a result is still pending."
  • Polestar: According to software problems, the Sweden-Stromer from the Geely Volvo Group add difficulties with inverter and battery thermal management. Both systems had to be exchanged in specialist workshops. Bad luck for the Swedes: also one of their test cars failed, so that the recall became known to the general public. On a test drive of the Polestar 2, which the magazine "Auto Motor & Sport" had carried out on a four-lane federal road, "suddenly popped up an error message in the test car’s combination instrument, the car delayed rabid, could just be steered onto the hard shoulder at walking speed without other road users crashing into the rear", So the magazine.

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A brandy problem

Problems like this are embarrassing for the manufacturers, but at least not highly dramatic. It becomes dangerous if, as with the EQC or Hyundai, a relevant fire risk is the problem. According to experts, this is statistically no greater than with cars with combustion engines. However, the damage is far greater. In two bus depots in Hanover and Dusseldorf, several e-buses were destroyed in major fires. The fire, the cause of which has not yet been determined, had eaten from one battery bus to the next. Fire protection expert Niki Traxel, a specialist in dealing with burning lithium-ion batteries, says to Site: “Depot fires are always a dreaded scenario because vehicles are close together and the fire can quickly spread from one vehicle to the other. As a safety measure, a distance between the vehicles is important during charging-because during the loading process, the risk of a brand is greatest."And the effort to delete hybrids and electric cars is considerable .

How to delete e-cars

Because the high -voltage batteries can repeat themselves again and again. So far, a car crane has been requested to lower the vehicle in a large rubble container filled with water. What the fire has not done will become total damage through this fire -fighting method at the latest. In the meantime, even incorrect hybrid cars are being prophylactically packed in fire -proof sacks because of the risk of fire. You also need a crane for that.

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Brand incidents are not only available for electric cars, but also with electrical two-wheelers. In Bremen, the broken battery of an e-bike probably triggered the fire of an entire family home and caused damage of 500.000 euros, reports "Radio Bremen".

Lifespan of the battery is still uncertain

As already mentioned, the risk of fire is, compared to gasoline vehicles probably not greater, In view of the rapid spread of e-mobile, however, it should be much clearer on the radar than it is currently. Because the complex extinguishing and security measures, which are not necessary for a burning diesel or petrol engine, ultimately cause enormous costs.

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The propagated quick charge The high -performance batteries is another problem. Politicians overturn with demands for building the charging infrastructure. The charging network should be so tight that the long-distance route with the electric car is no longer a problem.Quick charging minimizes the lifespan of the battery. This was recently confirmed by Markus Duesmann, CEO of Audi AG, in an interview with the "NZZ": “The system is so coordinated that you can always make a high-performance quick charge. However, the customer has to decide this himself. If you always load 100%, the battery exposes particularly high stress at the end of the fast charging process. The battery will last longer if you usually load up to a maximum of 80%. So the customer can influence the life of the battery itself.“A sentence that you have to read twice to understand your scope. That would be roughly as if Audi had said in his first TDI diesel engine: "Incidentally, the engine lasts longer if you only fill the tank 80 percent."

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So far, the customer can hardly assess how long e-car batteries. On the one hand, there are reports on Teslas who have already completed hundreds of thousands of kilometers- and that with the original battery. On the other hand, there are reports of just 10 years old Nissan-Stromer in the United States, whose batteries already "ready" are that it is only good for short distances

Guarantee: batteries should at least hold for eight years

The guarantee that the manufacturers grant on the traction batteries of their cars is usually enough for eight years. In the sense of a sustainable product, that would be far too little if it turns out that then many vehicles actually give up gradually. Because the average lifespan of a car in Germany – from the new registration to scrapping – is 18 years in Germany.

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Tesla has more experience, but still problems

The German manufacturers quickly pick up in the electrical technique, but the rabbit-and-league game between Tesla and "the rest of the pack" So far, in favor of Tesla. The Americans have in the construction of their cars, especially with battery and system integration, A long lead over Audi, Daimler and Co.But there are still problems with Tesla. In the United States, a brand new Tesla Model S Plaid has already caught fire. According to Tesla, this should no longer happen with the latest battery generation.

Tesla’s banana strategy

the "Banana strategy" – The product matures at the customer – Tesla has almost perfected. The US automobile expert and formerly sharp Tesla critic Sandy Munro admires the manufacturer for this: "What Tesla has done is to develop a product that is probably 90 or 95 percent finished", explains Munro. "But they have so many ways to analyze all the time what is going on in every car that the feedback can say things like: ‘Hey, what I think, what we should do is x. Let us make this technical change and implement it from here into the vehicles. If I had the choice – to come to 95 percent and then basically wait until the customers complain and then quickly change something", So the car expert, "Then I would rather choose this approach."

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The problem: The German manufacturers in particular have never actually worked in this way (If you disregard the exhaust gas fraud, in which you press new diesel engines onto the market with a not quite finished exhaust gas cleaning). The Tesla customer may be satisfied with a 90 percent car. But it is also the Audi or BMW customer?

OTA updates: technology with a future, but also with pitfalls

The Americans have had what is just being introduced at Volkswagen for years – the wireless OTA updates. However, just as the various operating systems do not always achieve the desired success, Tesla customers do not always agree with the implied modifications that restrict the promised product properties such as the range. Some examples of update problems:

  • Two software updates in 2019 for Teslas Model X and Model S produced until 2016 reduced the charging capacity and thus the range by 11 percent. This was justified by the Californians with the “protection of the battery”, reports the portal "Network world".
  • In Norway, an arbitration board decided that every Tesla owner has a compensation of around 13.000 euros due to the restriction of usability. And Teslamag.de reports that the capacities were restored in part of the vehicles produced. But not, for example, in the Model S, equipped with a capacity with a nominal 85 kilowatt hours.
  • A North German real estate entrepreneur therefore sued the manufacturer before the Munich District Court because the update and the associated reduction in charging power and the usable capacity were so limited that the electric car was "no longer suitable for everyday use", which is why it is again want to manufacture. The capacity and range almost halved. At first nothing is known about the outcome of the lawsuit.
  • Recently, at the instruction of the Chinese authorities, 285.000 Model 3 and Model Y are updated because unintentional activation of the assistance systems could trigger sudden acceleration. 135.000 vehicles were called back worldwide in February because of a failure of the central display "Auto Motor & Sport".
  • As early as September 2020, 2500 Model Y had to be called back because the control of the brake light on connected followers did not work, which was also possible via software. Later there were at least 401 cars on screws on the wishbone, reported "Teslamag".

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Innovations are not always smooth

Of course, innovations in automotive construction did not always work smoothly. When BMW started using electronic controls in the 1970s, plug -in connections and the kilometers of cable harness proved to be the biggest problem. The Porsche 959 presented in 1986 as a technology sponsor, which has several control units, which has with each other, is symptomatic today. Even today, only a few specialists can wait for the car at Porsche Classic, the price for this goes into the tens of thousands.However, the electric car is intended as an essential part of mass mobility. If it should be resilient, the developers of software, drives and high -voltage batteries have to work a little more carefully. And above all test, test and test. This applies especially to manufacturers whose reliability and quality is an important brand core – not only Daimler, VW or BMW, but also established Asian manufacturers such as Hyundai. Because they lack the Tesla factor: The willingness of the customers, as "Early adopter" to accept significant technical quirks of a new technology.

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15 thoughts on “Fires, recalls, battery chaos: Are electric car drivers guinea pig?”

  1. Battery vehicles are a danger to life and life
    Not just the inmates. In the context of "Teething problems" To talk is very much that … Not just the inmates. In the context of "Teething problems" To talk is very macabre. The batteries start to burn spontaneously, often through dendrite formation. This is a material property that cannot be prevented. This incalculable behavior with its severe consequences, in terms of human life and the environment, excludes Li Akku technology for use in road traffic. Various burned post cars, bicycles, scooters, bus depots and cars prove it. The cause is always the same: the battery for the environment due to free, highly toxic gases and substances is immense, not compensable, even if the vehicles ran out of trouble from now on. The ideology -driven, alternative way, belongs to.

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  2. Technology openness?
    You can almost manifest it as a basic rule: If the state wants to prescribe a technology by law, then it is guaranteed to be the wrong one! If the state had kept out of it, there would be the climate-neutral combustion engine with E100 and the fuel cells hydrogen pac, as the clairvoyant Kalmond Kess describes it in the novel 2035. It is not entirely clear to me how the problems with hydrogen are solved, but there is still some time until 2035.

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  3. Much water ?
    Yes, the topic is actually pretty up to date. Of course, it is not answered conclusively. You can surely put it back into perspective and talk small, completely no matter. It still exists….

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  4. For and against ?
    think a lot is dramatized again. I z. E.g. I’m absolutely not an opponent of this type of drive. However, I am against the permanent patronage and penalty payments "normal" Drivers and the constant instructions and know -it -alls many batteries.-Fans, and the existing dangers are also relativized elegantly. Everyone should drive from me what suits them, but at the same time delete the subs. It will then show which technology fits where. In both cases, the environment is not helped anyway, there are completely different parameters that should be changed worldwide. Z. E.g. Population growth would be such an issue……

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  5. For current occasion, how does it behave when a
    Battery car weighs? The environmental damage caused by battery scooters in the Rhine was recently reported, but the car batteries have completely different dimensions. A short circuit through the water cannot be excluded, the batteries are very sensitive to short circuit.

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  6. @KOpnick I don’t like to repeat myself,
    Think about your lectures everything is said. I am surprised that their somewhat non -irrelevant and sometimes very deliberate comments are published. You harm your own cause yourself. The real life is not a barrack yard on which one roars and everyone has to follow. I am concerned with security and the environment, the e-lobby obviously about money, subsidies, funding and power.

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  7. Apparently this article has achieved exactly that,…
    What he should, namely the e-car opponents woke up. In Germany alone there are already approx. 400.000 electric cars approved and this group still claims that these vehicles are not overridden. A vehicle that is not ready for the market would not be allowed and did not have constantly increasing number of admission. An average electric car creates hundreds of kilometers with 80% battery charge and can be charged in half an hour, which is great!" 50 years ago we would have considered something impossible. There is no back that many want because the apparent alternatives are actually not and climate protection requires quick action.

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  8. @K who "without alternative" only thinks in one direction,
    Logically does not see any alternatives. And if they are, they will be combated with hard lobbying, not argumentative,. With false numbers (just think of that "Calculation error" in the figures presented), claims and not least with abnormalities. Yes, Elon Musk has a lot of money and power. He is clever, only he is not the dear God, this place is already occupied 🙂

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  9. Nothing new…..
    …..However, not only affects the battery boxes. The latest from the new has no long -term testing in the real environment yet. Best BSP. Are the problems with the oath and golf. Just wait a bit, after 2 years the manufacturers corrected the worst mistakes. The aging is added to the battery, it doesn’t get better, whether used or not. So wait too long doesn’t work either….. I drive my combustioners without "Touch" and similar features !

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  10. E-car fires
    It seems that the buyers of these cars real "Test pilot" For the manufacturers are. Buyers pay insane sums for having to risk life and life in order to do such technical "Immugalness" to move. I don’t come with the argument now, "So and so many electric cars have been sold, so many customers cannot be wrong!"

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  11. Recall
    Every vehicle in the certain price range matures with the customer – because it is simply cheaper for the OEM to do this than to test with all inadequacies for years. MB 190s, Porsche 964 The still cars that were put through their paces. So where is the problem – in contrast to ICEV, BEV have fewer problems because fewer components, but these are very costly. 100 to 20 years of development with the ICEV, with long no such huge innovations in all areas than the BEV in comparison. But Bev’s are significantly safer than IceV’s. In a factor of 10, an ICEV burns in contrast to a BEV to dangers km.

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  12. for that" fewer components" are in the game,
    A lot happens at Akku cars. In addition, you have already looked at the engine control from the inside? The number of components involved, the individual failure of which makes the vehicle fail, has obviously increased significantly. Or do you know better again without knowing these components and their functionality in detail?

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  13. Yes, that is right
    However, the reason is not with the engineers and technicians who can develop very good mature cars. They are the managers and shareholders who do not get their neck and still want more returns. Therefore, on the command from above, everything is saved and the customer can pay for it. This runs through every industry in which there are stock corporations. The fact that there is another way to prove seasoned men like a Mr. Krupp von Trigema. Whether you like him or the products or not, he has at least honorable principles. Principles that do not interest a shareholder and their managers.

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  14. I read all of this with one
    Smile. I might accept that such a technology is not launched without a kink. What I do not understand, why you did not prefer hydrogen and presented this nonsense as the solution. My neighbor who is for over 200.000 euros bought a Taycan s from Porsche, desperately with the thing because he does not get his quick charging box from the provider and wants to sell the thing again because of the frustration. But so far no buyer is interested. I rented an i3 from BMW in winter and drove to Austria. And desperately at the charging station because everyone was occupied. The 225km could not be created in one piece. Ridiculous.

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  15. I also smile Mr. Kross
    I read comments like yours with a lollipop in my mouth. Your neighbor drives a Taycan and the provider does not get the wall box filled? At home you can load with 11 kW, so you get a Porsche "filled" I have been driving a car for years and can only laugh. So it was probably when the horse carriage was replaced by the automobile.

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