20 to 30 percent loss
Countries are calling for best -preservation to electric car batteries – but that would be a joke
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E-car batteries lose capacity in the course of their lives. Above all, the quick shop is loud out the battery. The EU, China and the United States are therefore calling for a legally guaranteed minimum life. But the desired values are not very ambitious.
For links on this page, Site receives. A commission from the dealer, Z.B. For marked. More information from used diesel cars that only gets 700 kilometers instead of 1000 kilometers would be a bad purchase. In the case of electric cars, however, manufacturers should be possible in the future to use legal batteries with reduced lifespan. After five years, batteries should therefore only allow around 80 percent of their range and after eight years hardly more than 70 percent, without that being considered a defect. With high annual mileage cars, the drop in performance of the cells would even be allowed much earlier.
Minimum conservation of batteries by law
The background: The EU, the USA, China and other countries want to commit manufacturers of electrical and hybrid cars to a best-preservationability of the batteries installed in it. They agreed on this in the World Forum for the harmonization of vehicle regulations of the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE) in Geneva in principle.
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According to the draft, car manufacturers would then have to prove that the batteries in their electrical and hybrid vehicles do not lose too much capacity over certain periods or kilometers driven – namely less than 20 percent capacity over five years or 100.000 kilometers or less than 30 percent over eight years or 160.000 kilometers. This corresponds to the guarantees that are already valid for several manufacturers. But the carmaker could also take the ambition to develop even better and more durable batteries. The regulation would be comparable to earlier exhaust gas standards, in which the manufacturers only developed exhaust gas cleaning to certain driving conditions and not in almost all everyday situations, as has been prescribed since the Euro 6d standard.
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At least for extreme cheap batteries would be over
While a high double -digit shrinkage as a permitted rule would be unthinkable for expensive premium brands with the most decisive purchase criterion of an e -vehicle – the range – you also have to see the design against the background that in China in the cheap segment, especially in China, many vehicles with extreme inferior batteries are sold. Customer surveys in China recently showed a declining satisfaction of many buyers with such vehicles because the range decreased strongly after a short time. A legal regulation would at least create a certain standard, which some producers would then not create.
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"That would prevent the use of weak batteries in terms of quality," said UNECE to the draft law. It is the first international regulation for battery emptying. In addition to the EU, the USA and China, Japan, Canada, South Korea and Great Britain are behind the proposal. According to UNECE, three million electric and hybrid vehicles were sold last year. In Europe, the market share is already ten percent.
2023 could already apply regulation
In March 2022, however. Countries that agree would then have to take over the requirement in national legislation. The rule could then come into force in 2023, explained Unece last Friday in Geneva.
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Mr. Sochgen for help….
…As for poisonous substances in e-fires! More dangerous than with a conventional … …As for poisonous substances in e-fires! However, the pollutants that become free are more dangerous than with a conventional car fire. Because with a battery edge, larger amounts of heavy metals are free to cobalt, nickel and manganese, but also toxic and caustic fluorides, lithium compounds and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAK). "These groups of substances are harmful in a human oxicological point of view and can thus lead to an exacerbation of the risk in underground infrastructures," said the researchers. Reading at scinexx.de! In 2030, as required by climate experts, up to 14mio. Rolling electric cars in Germany, the accident will be very different! Of course, you can also try to hide facts!
@Sochgen
Why I actually answer to ignorance, I ask myself the question! This is about the serious potential for hazard, also in terms of health, what these e-fires represent. In addition, the fact that brand new cars are burning. Let’s wait for 14MI. E-cars in 2030 and vehicles that are 8 years and older! Then the accident situation will look very different.
Is that so?
When I get into my Bev at -25 degrees (I live in northern Europe), I put the D and drive off. Many of my neighbors often have problems starting their burners. So much for comparison the "Operational readiness".
Know that from smartphones
Get me a new Oberlassen-Zel every year, from 800-900 euros. The fixed batteries are scrap after 3-4 years. The Tel is certainly perfect, but useless with broken battery. Will be no different with the batteries of the cars.
@Sparing
Which smartphone models have active thermal management for the batteries? How often do you load your smartphone 100% full and how often do you have it completely unloaded? Apples and pears!
perhaps
Should the corresponding organizations rather require standardized, scalable, quickly changeable batteries from the car manufacturers and to decouple the battery production from car production. This would immediately solve durability problems, charging problems and range problems. Also, acceptance with the appropriate infrastructure that ultimately is easier to build up as thousands of charging stations on the cars suddenly increase. Cars with a permanently installed battery only serve the auto industry. Economic interests and profit maximization stand against everyday and sustainable technology. Money makes the world go round. No sustainability and no environmental protection. Today’s e-cars are undesirable developments through the bank.
Mr. Hutzler
Of course, the attempts must fail. The auto industry would simply not earn anything anymore. The only problem is that the car manufacturers don’t want. They defend themselves against interchangeable systems. Shop still works. But you could also easily switch to a new battery technique. But nobody wants. Bring no money. Technically, everything is feasible.
Have fun
Here every e-friend really thinks from the wall to the wallpaper, I go on the biscuit. The procurement of material is currently a race against time because every manufacturer wants to get as much as possible as much as possible, and the people who work there do not carry a cent to the climate, they die earlier than we do, congratulations on your ideology of a clean climate. Like with the music, there was techno and acid at the time 20 25 years ago, you were hyped, it then dull, nothing else will happen with this era, there will definitely be some cars among us, but not so many. If you turn off the conscience, simply an electric car only introduces itself without production everything is in the green area, this two-track person cannot really assess.
Why now
For decades, no one has thought about what happens to countless batteries in countless variants in countless electrical appliances. On average, a person certainly needs more than just a battery of an electric car, which can still be rechargeable. I find a regulation regarding. the quality of auto-batteries well! But again it represents everything as if the electric car is something bad. No, it’s the future!
@ Walter Neumeier
Which problems? I’ve been driving e-car for almost 2 1/2 years and still have none. A car must be 500 or 1.Can drive 000 km at a time? No, it doesn’t have to. After a break of 200 km is much more relaxed. On a long distance I load every 200 km at Tesla Super-Charger. It doesn’t matter whether the battery capacity has only 90, 80 or 70% in 10 years.
Battery creation in an environmentally harmful way
High quality is important for the batteries. First you have to think about how environmentally harmful the battery production is. Then the funding conditions for the workers who mine the raw materials and then produce the parts. You have to start here. Then the question, everyone really needs a car? Why should everyone be allowed to buy a car just because they like it? Many things are forbidden or limited for the citizen, even if he wants them. Such restrictions can be avoided that cheap batteries come onto the market. High -quality products in which ecological standards and good working conditions are observed are required, no disposable products.
Here is only swept directly on the doorstep
As it is due to our apparently CO2 free "front door" Looks in the raw materials-delivering countries, at least the e-lobby doesn’t matter. They are concerned with funding, subsidies and tax advantages. I cannot recognize actual and effective environmental protection. One elite apparently rides CO2 freely on the boutique, at school or kindergarten with high-priced, subsidized battery kfz
so what ?
I drive petrol and diesel, stink at best, if a greenery with his duck or colorful VW bus is on the end…. The incredible success of the e-boxes relies on the incredible subsidies, no more and no less. For years there has been an endless advertising for the electric car in the media. Where do they all rum ? It’s not really many……..
How about…
…Regulations on recyclability and sustainability. Mountains of old batteries are probably not desirable. In addition, the raw materials are also scarce. The competition will do the rest of the competition. Technology openness is also part of it.
All e-car critics
Do not have any e-car at all. They don’t even know how it feels without noise and without stench by car from A to B. If the e – cars were as bad as many here, the electric cars would not have such a success. The great deficiency of the E cars are the long delivery times. That will not change for the next 10 years.
Easy increase
In the case of otherwise falling sales figures of other technologies. If you see overall contexts, you could understand that this is a very strong sign towards BEV mobility. But there is still hope for your Mirai. I hear in Denmark, Toyota was able to sell 100 pieces to a taxi company. Of course only massively subsidized (by the state and manufacturer), but at least. Hehehe