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The big driving ban for the city is coming soon?
Driving ban. Until here and not further!
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Four petrolheads and a difficult task: “Welt” editor-in-chief Ulf Poschardt put a lot of questions and put them all in one envelope. He now wants to have them answered as competently as possible. Part 2.
Jochen Wagner: They are anticipated by the natural traffic jam.
Carsten Muller: I don’t think there is any justification for it. We have the topic on the political stage too. And if you then look where what pollution comes from, then today you have to say in a dry and factual way, the emission problems, I am referring to Professor Koch from KIT in Karlsruhe, for example, who says that the emission problems in modern cars have been solved. There is no longer.
Wagner: I think it’s a classic denial. But it doesn’t matter.
Muller: No, he actually did the math. Using the example of Stuttgart Neckartor, the most heavily loaded measuring point, he broke it down. He also modified where it is measured. And what works where. Is also not contradicted.
By the way, there are a thousand problems that we still have to get to grips with in traffic or with emissions. So, if we have such a refrigerated van, its small internal combustion engine-driven refrigeration unit with 7 kW has around 20 times more pollutant emissions than the 40 times more powerful truck in total if it has Euro 6. So these are emissions that are not regulated at all.
Peter Ruch: Personally, as you know, I really like driving a car, I am in favor of a general driving ban in the city. Why should you drive a car in the city? There is no reason at all. All these stupid yuppie mothers, if the term is still valid, who have to buy their organic parsley at the market, which is 700 meters from their villa, they should drive publicly or walk.
I would advise 90 percent of all trips in the city are completely unnecessary. People could get around the city differently. And they should kindly do that too. City car, I get screaming fits. There are no city cars that should be burned or exploded…
The experts (from top left clockwise): the Swiss motor journalist Peter Ruch, the member of the Bundestag Carsten Muller, the "PS WORLD"-Author Guido Bellberg and the Pfa…rrer and philosopher Jochen Wagner
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Muller: No, just not what kind of pollutants it creates.
Guido Bellberg: But in the end, for me, that’s always capitalism versus socialism. For example, when I hear Hofreiter speak of the Greens, in my eyes they have an image of man that is completely unrealistic. They live in a fairy world. But in the real world, mom wants to buy exactly that in the health food store.
And in the real world, the child just wants to train in the larger hall. And in the real world, people just want to do the things they want to do. In the fantasy world, it is easy to say, no, you are not allowed to do that, we are now doing car sharing with small eco boxes. And then we all share it. But people want private property. And they can do that too.
Muller: I see it similarly, they can also want that. But maybe you have to come to the fact that you see it a little more relaxed, and that it just becomes more convenient to use something other than your own vehicle for a distance of 1.2 kilometers in the city. I think it can work.
The bike has a lot of potential. I think it’s totally stupid that the topic of e-mobility is only ever related to e-mobiles that appear in the guise of a classic car. In the two-wheeler sector, that’s a total success story. Because headwinds and mountains have been abolished.
And if someone gets a little weak in their knees in old age, they can still drive. Great thing, we don’t need any sales promotions, it just works like that. And with that we have, let me say, reasonable traffic in the city.
When it comes to bicycles, electromobility is a success story. Not with cars, at least not yet
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Ruch: But in the end it is a problem that affects society as a whole. So rents in the city are too expensive, so everyone moves to the countryside. And then have to go back into town. So we have done a few things wrong in the last 50 years that are now very likely to be reduced to the car and cannot be fixed again anytime soon.
We know the problem a lot less in Switzerland, but I know people in Germany who drive two and a half hours to work and drive two and a half hours back from work in the evening. I have to say they are completely stupid.
Bellberg: I don’t think there will be an urban driving ban. And I don’t think it matters whether it makes sense or not, I think that in the end it is too much of an encroachment on human freedom. That I don’t just tell people how to think, but how to drive, how to move.
And I think freedom is a much higher value than is sometimes realized in political circles. Completely independent of education, income or anything else. But again to the idealized image of man that these people carry around with them who make such demands. It is also true that bus drivers do not make mistakes, that trains always run, that there are no suicides who delay a train from Hamburg to Berlin for six hours.
None of that happens in this illusory world. But in the real world it happens all the time. If you’ve ridden as much train as I did and stood around half the time at train stations, in the snow in winter because things don’t go when it’s hot and not when it’s cold, then you probably see it differently.
Guido Bellberg does not believe that a city driving ban will come
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Muller: I also travel a lot by train, but it’s not really bad at all. Sure, you get annoyed, but of course it is, the railway writes its promise on paper in black and white. If each of us had to write our arrival time on paper when driving a car, and then, when we arrived, had to be measured by it?
Bellberg: But isn’t it always about the image of man? Is it really all ecologically justified or is it not also the case that people simply like to have control over others. So sometimes that’s my impression.
Wagner: When I was a child in Nuremberg, the old sewer was used for an oil change. That was an idyll. One had no awareness of any ecological or other consequential damage. The car was washed with the water from the old canal. And the ducklings swam peacefully back and forth in the foam.
Environment Ministry plans temporary driving bans in cities
The Federal Environment Ministry is apparently planning to introduce driving bans in German cities in tricky weather conditions. This is intended to reduce dangerous air pollution. Source: Die Welt / Daniela Will
With the knowledge of the consequences of our actions, a guilty conscience or a awareness of sin grows, that we are just guilty, that we consist largely of the old Adam. In the meantime, however, we have so much knowledge of the consequences of our actions, and at the same time a feeling of powerlessness because we cannot change it, these path dependencies, I think in the automotive industry, they are so gigantic.
I can’t exist at all in the southern rural area of Munich without a car. I can only create an artificial proximity from the distance to the supermarket or to the workplace by means of the car. Only through the technical possibility of acceleration and, so to speak, the shortening of space. I can’t do that by bike.
I worked at Daimler during my studies. I drove to the factory from Tubingen to Sindelfingen. I had a relatively short approach of 35 kilometers. Most of the people came from the Singen area, Rottweil. And of course they stay at home because they feel good there, but where they feel good there is no work they need. And where they have their work they don’t want to live because they don’t feel good. I don’t know how to solve the dilemma.
This is how you used to go on vacation: the whole family squeezed into the Beetle and the suitcase stretched on the roof
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Bellberg: But what I’m missing here with such things is, I like to repeat myself, is simply, people don’t tick that way. And when a woman comes home from work at two at night, I can understand why she doesn’t take the subway or train. Period. There is also such a thing as a need for security. And that gives you your own car.
Wagner: At some point in the night, she won’t have to come back from work, that is the vision of Campbell and other post-fossil visionaries.
Bellberg: But that doesn’t work, we know. It’s like the paperless office. I’m still waiting for it today.
Wagner: It will come. Under the pressure of need, and the Alpine region, for example, will find it very difficult to deal with the new mobility. When people have to walk down from the Ritten to the market in Bolzano.
Muller: So nowadays it is almost exotic to say that I am going on vacation by car. Why don’t you fly Now everyone is flying. My parents went on vacation with me, flying was unimaginable. Basically it’s the same today, just the other way around. You can go on vacation. But go by car? No You fly.
Wagner: But we have a huge dilemma. On the one hand, resources are scarce, at the same time we are being seduced by more and more modern technologies, digital at the moment, to remake, to nostalgia, to vintage, to the old-timer, to the H-license plate.
It’s very nice, Guido, that you tell me: “People are just not as ideal as the alternatives think they are.” Only, you can’t say that everyone has free travel until the globe explodes.
My neighbors bought a Cinquecento. As an e-car. Very pretty, very small, very cute, but of course you don’t go on vacation with him. You take the big one on vacation because you have three children.
Ruch: Three children are no longer in keeping with the times either.
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