The fuel cell has no chance against the pure electric car

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The fuel cell has no chance against the pure electric car

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The car-end for the fuel cell?: Train into nowhere

  • Site author Stefan Grundhoff

The infinite history of the automotive fuel cell goes into the next round. In the meantime, Hyundai offers its Nexo in some markets and Mercedes also wants to put his GLC Fuel Cell on the streets after numerous delays. The greatest enemy of the hydrogen are cheap batteries.

The history of the fuel point is a few decades old. Car manufacturers from Japan, the USA and Germany repeatedly made around the drive technology known as visionary. In a few years the technology should be ready for series production and then there would be a breakthrough – so you heard it again and again. He never came before. While manufacturers such as Toyota, General Motors or Honda rely on technical solutions and small series, Daimler went a different way. Seven years ago, Mercedes organized a large -scale world tour on which the everyday suitability of the automotive fuel cell should be put to the test. A small fleet of electrically operated Mercedes B classes chugged almost silently around the globe. The engines were not fed by batteries, but by hydrogen, which can be refueled similarly to gasoline. In a complex process, the hydrogen is converted into electrical energy and drove the B-Class test carriers.

Fuel cell car is long in coming

The engineer -driven Swabians have been working around the use of fuel cells in cars since the 1980s. A first subject, the MB 100 van, still needed its entire loading space as a mini laboratory to accommodate the technology. This was followed by countless test carriers named Necar in the form of small vans, A and B classes and buses; But it was not enough for the series operation. Asian manufacturers grown in here and let their test fleets whir through Japan, Korea and the USA. Mercedes repeatedly announced the series use of a fuel cell car, but the implementation has so far been guilty. Finally, it should be so far in 2012/33 and a collaboration with the two manufacturers Nissan and Ford should bring tailwind. But the cooperation became a pipe crepe and the fuel cell vehicle for everyone remained in the Unterturkheim development garage.

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Daimler Mercedes GLC Fuel Cell

"The fuel cell technology is an integral part of our drive strategy," breaks Professor Christian Mohrdieck, head of the fuel cell system area at Daimler, a lance for Saubermann technology, "the advantages for us are clearly obvious: zero emissions, high ranges and short refueling times as well as A wide range of applications from cars to buses, other large commercial vehicles and last but not least for inpatient applications."

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But when you see how Mercedes tries to make the customer desire for the future models of electrical fleet EQ and anyone who knows the billion-dollar expenses behind the battery-operated electromobility has doubts that those responsible for the Daimler with skin and hair for the topic Burn hydrogen. If the decision on the development of a fuel cell car would be concerned today, the answer would probably not be as positive as years ago. Here it was nodded that the SUV all-purpose weapon GLC should not only be offered as a petrol engine, diesel and plug-in hybrid, but also as a fuel cell variant.

Petrol station network is microscopic

The Chinese car manufacturer Great Wall Motor also intends to develop fuel cell vehicles as part of its alternative energy roadmap. In September, the car manufacturer acquired 51.01 percent in the Shanghai Fuel-Cell Vehicle Company from Dynavolt Tech and wants to participate in H2 Mobility Germany. At the moment, efforts are running at various manufacturers to give the hydrogen drive the next chance. But it is not at least too late for the car sector? Nobody doubts that the car manufacturers now have fuel cell technology under control. But the petrol station network is overnight over the borders despite small growth. It is difficult enough to think of hybrids and electric cars in the spirit in addition to the known drive methods diesel and gasoline.

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They are already available or are just in front of the door. In the hydrogen models, Toyota Mirai, Hyundai Nexo, Honda Clarity or Mercedes GLC Fuel Cell are no more than a few fig leaves with which some car manufacturers are largely in vain. SUV models with fuel cell such as the Hyundai Nexo or the Mercedes GLC cannot even be obtained with the usual all-wheel drive because of the space problems. In addition, models such as the Toyota Mirai or the Honda Clarity are not only technically, but also optically polarizing and hardly shine with a winning external. The prices just take your breath away. 60.000 to 80.000 euros are for a car that costs half or less with conventional drive, an exclusion criterion.

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The prices are astronomically high

No wonder that the Mercedes should only exist as a rental model. These disadvantages weigh as much as a petrol station network that is not only none in Germany. What does it work if the 700 bar tank can be filled in three to five minutes for another 500 to 800 kilometers as with a diesel or petrol engine. Around 50 petrol stations are currently operated in Germany; Another 40 are planned. The investment is high, because a hydrogen filling station costs a seven -digit amount depending on the number of petrol pumps. "The high electrical range, short refueling times and the everyday suitability of an SUV will make it a perfect companion," says Mercedes development board member Ola Kallenius, "this is only possible through the compact construction of our fuel cell system. Also a real world premiere is the combination with a large additional lithium-ion battery, which can be easily charged using plug-in technology."

In contrast to the battery, fuel cell has no raw material problem

In contrast to the Mercedes GLC, the Hyundai Nexo has no additional battery pack that supplies the electric motor with performance. With a tank filling in the three carbon containers hidden in the underbody, the Korean swallows 6.3 kilograms of hydrogen and thus enables a WLTP range of around 600 kilometers, while the 4.4 kilograms of hydrogen in the GLC is sufficient for 437 kilometers. "We only have eleven petrol stations in Korea, half of which are research dispensers," said Sae Hoo Kim, head of development of the Hyundai Nexo, "we need 80 to 100 in our country, so that a real initiative will start. But in total it should be at least 400.“This number should also exist in Germany by 2023, but the urge to build up the petrol pumps has so far been manageable everywhere. After all, the Nexo already caused a sensation – and was even one of the finalists in the election for the German Car of the Year .

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"In 2025 we expect around 20 million electric cars, since the increases were last 40 to 50 percent per year," explains Professor Werner Tillmetz, who has been dealing with fuel cell technology for 30 years, "that would be around a quarter of all new cars. For this one would need 1000 gigawatt hours of battery performance. These are 20 gigafactories, of which Tesla has just one with an investment of $ 100 billion. There is also the raw material problem. The fuel cell does not have the battery problems.“But the technicians of the world have seen the fuel cell in broad series use for many years. And it is not only a problem with the lobby and petrol pumps, but also on the customer acceptance. The emerging trend towards electric cars and hybrids with corresponding accordance width makes the problem for the automobile fuel cell rather increasing.

Potential especially in heavy goods traffic

And hardly any manufacturer is currently working on the topic with real high pressure, as it is more expensive than ever to make the current combustion engine technologically fit for the next ten years and devour the new investments in the areas of driver assistance systems, networking, electrical drive and battery technology. In this way, only a comparatively small part of the investment remains for the fuel cell. Many manufacturers have completely adopted the fuel cell and large, innovation -driven brands such as BMW, Audi, Volkswagen or General Motors only drive the hydrogen area at least on a very small flame. The use of the aging fuel cell stacks has also not yet been clarified.

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"So far our stack in Hyundai IX35 has lasted five years," explains Sae Hook Kim, "In the Nexo there are 5000 operating hours or ten years. After that, you can either continue to use or recycled it with a lesser performance, which I tend to.“As difficult as the use of a fuel cell in the car looks, implementation in heavy goods traffic is realistic. It is particularly clear to the providers of large trucks that a truck must carry a battery with them purely electrically, which weighs several tons to cover longer distances. Especially for heavy loads and long distances, the fuel cell would therefore be. Maybe she will still get on the bikes in commercial vehicles. That would fit the Daimler managers well, since the technology of the GLC F-Cell is scalable on vans or trucks.

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17 thoughts on “The fuel cell has no chance against the pure electric car”

  1. Brennoff cell with gas
    It’s funny that heating with fuel cells can also be operated with gas. … Why doesn’t that work with cars. Then you can save yourself that with the hydrogen.

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  2. 59 Wait and drink tea
    The battery batteries do not hold in life for 8 years. Not in wind and further and certainly not if I want to drive 20,000 km every year. A Tesla driver can tell a lot that has the vehicle for just 2 years. That the battery is still dewy may be voices but probably does not drive in wind and weather, snow and mud. So wait and drink tea and let’s see if the battery actually starts to make you limp after 8 years. And the argument with a Stromer saves me 1500 € a year is a milk girl into account because the Stromer vehicle was probably € 10-20000 expensive than a petrol or diesel. I don’t know how the battery friends are expecting here but I see smartphones that you can scrap after 3 years because the battery is dead. And replacing one costs more than a new one

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  3. Mr. Rey,
    This increases the charging capacity into the immeasurable. And the associated losses too. And it will only be able to load one car per petrol station. Unless you are changing the entire network, digging all roads, arm thickness Sauteners copper cable and also provide the corresponding power plant output. That will never be possible for everyone.

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  4. All scrap
    The future is in plutonium because I buy a pole for € 10,000 because of this, but the car then drives through for 10 years. The high purchase price then includes disposal. I’m curious when they’ll get there. The main thing is that clean air here and now and the descendants can then take care of the radioactive garbage. Exactly this thinking has the world after me the deluge.

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  5. Ironic
    It is so badly written. When talking you can hear it out easier. Nevertheless, we accept if we say 40 million electric cars drive on the street where we get the electricity? If we are supposed to cut down more forests to build wind farms, more arable land should fall victim to the solar parks. The electricity comes from the neighboring countries and we pay for it.

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  6. Renewable energies from 2050
    On YouTube I saw a video where "Scientists" credibly show and explain that from 2050 we no longer need oil and coal and atom, but do everything with only renewable energies. Sun, wind, organic gas, hydropower, u.S.W. . I can understand that our lobbyists of oil, coal, nuclear power, defend themselves with hands and feet. What we need are politicians who work for environmental protection and not just talk about it. At least if you saw the video, you know what it could be like, and that the statements of the Stom is not enough.

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  7. There is still it
    … the enlightened German, here in the site blog. Hopefully a lot of people look at the clip. 30 years ago, a Prime Minister asked in my presence in a round of experts: my gentleman, how much electricity from renewable energies we can have in 30 years? Professors’ response: For physical-natural law reasons, no longer like 10%. We are at 40% today!!!

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  8. A decentralized
    Energy supply for private transport is simply amazing, who wants the hundreds of charging stations for e, for example. finance in supermarket sites and implement the necessary power supply for this?Electricity companies will quickly recognize that the charging infrastructure for the EI cars, which is sought one million by 2020, will exceed the feasibility, based on 450,000,000 million cars in DE. If the decentralized shop of the e vehicles will become a disaster, with a hydrogen petrol station, several hundred vehicles can be refueled a day, paths must be searched politically and not lift one mix and not to lift the sky and demonize the other,

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  9. Apple!
    What used to be the iPhone in telecommunications will be the fuel cell in car traffic! Anyone who only relies on the battery car today may rely on the wrong horse! I only remember the energy -saving lamp, introduced in the market with a lot of pressure to replace the incandescent lamp or to forbid it! Today someone else talks about the energy -saving lamp? No, because her death sentence was the LED lamp! The fuel cell can be similar to the battery car! Even if the production of the hydrogen is not so good, but if there is an oversupply of regenerative energy in the future, you have a storage option at times when electricity is not required, but is not required!

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  10. Tesla is the Apple of the automotive industry…
    This means that hydrogen died at the moment when Tesla has climbed into the large series production. In one point, however, they are right. Hydrogen is useful as a storage option.

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  11. Green vision
    On this topic I always think of the Greens and their proposal with the 5DM for the liter of fuel. If you had not been shouted down or laughed at, we would probably no longer have to worry about pollution, health risk, noise pollution or that you can use roughly overturned 35mrd.€ a year makes some autocrats rich instead of leaving our money in the country. And what does complex procedure mean? The procedure is also not more complex than any other battery. I am a big fan of hydrogen, not just for cars.

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  12. The complex in hydrogen…
    are extraction and storage. It all makes it incredibly expensive. In the case of the cars, they also need a battery and the technology built into the vehicle is much more complex than with battery cars and thus also more prone to repair. The extremely poor efficiency finally makes the whole thing meaningless. And yet they are hydrogen fan?

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  13. hydrogen
    One is surprised why the government does not intend to invest in research. On the one hand, the climate and the environment speaks large, on the other hand, electrical is used, which is extremely stressed by the environment and the resources. Hydrogen is available in abundance without damaging the environment. So what drives our government on this path?

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  14. Elektro is not the future !
    E cars cannot be the future, if only because hundreds of millions of batteries can not be built. The other day I read a report about an Audi e throne. After production, this car has already burdened the environment, like a small car gasoline engine at 200,000 km mileage. Where should the raw materials come from for the battery. How should people charge their cars, they should put extension cords from their apartments to a car. All of this is still unbalanced and rather a politically wanted solution, even if it will not work in practice.

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  15. Carl Benz
    Carl Benz also had to buy the benzene for his vehicle in the pharmacy because there was no petrol station network at the time. It prevented the petrol engine from the triumph? There will be more charging points and the future batteries will be produced cheaper and made from everywhere, because the solid battery has already been invented.

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  16. As long as nationwide care…
    …is not given with hydrogen or electricity filling stations, and as long as only the limit is the only problem at a few hand -picked measurement points, remain the combustion engineer and if necessary. Plug-in hybrid the best choice. The rest is something for people with a lot of free time or their own property. How long will z. B. already discussed in Berlin about the shop on lantern masts? Result: nothing.

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